Ruihan Xu, Jiajin Li, Yiping Lu

A central question in modern deep learning is how to design optimizers whose behavior remains stable as the network width $w$ increases. We address this question by interpreting several widely used neural-network optimizers, including \textrm{AdamW} and \textrm{Muon}, as instances of steepest descent under matrix operator norms. This perspective links optimizer geometry with the Lipschitz structure of the network forward map, and enables width-independent control of both Lipschitz and smoothness constants. However, steepest-descent rules induced by standard $p \to q$ operator norms lack layerwise composability and therefore cannot provide width-independent bounds in deep architectures. We overcome this limitation by introducing a family of mean-normalized operator norms, denoted $\pmean \to \qmean$, that admit layerwise composability, yield width-independent smoothness bounds, and give rise to practical optimizers such as \emph{rescaled} \textrm{AdamW}, row normalization, and column normalization. The resulting learning rate width-aware scaling rules recover $μ$P scaling~\cite{yang2021tensor} as a special case and provide a principled mechanism for cross-width learning-rate transfer across a broad class of optimizers. We further show that \textrm{Muon} can suffer an $\mathcal{O}(\sqrt{w})$ worst-case growth in the smoothness constant, whereas a new family of row-normalized optimizers we propose achieves width-independent smoothness guarantees. Based on the observations, we propose MOGA (Matrix Operator Geometry Aware), a width-aware optimizer based only on row/column-wise normalization that enables stable learning-rate transfer across model widths. Large-scale pre-training on GPT-2 and LLaMA shows that MOGA, especially with row normalization, is competitive with Muon while being notably faster in large-token and low-loss regimes.